Dr. Darden had an interesting case study.
He took a supervisor at the Gainesville Health and Fitness Center and put him on a diet and strength training program. In six months David Hudlow is said to have lost 44 pounds of fat and built 39 pounds of muscle. Starting weight, 219; final weight, 215. The pictures are quite interesting.
The workouts were coupled with a carbohydrate rich, not the typical protein rich bodybuilder’s diet. Dr.Darden states: “The vast majority of the time (over the 6 month period), Hudlow used Super Slow.”
David Hudlow
Scanned page from Ellington Darden’s, The New High Intensity Training
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Let’s do some basic math here. Starting weight = 219.
If he lost 44 lbs of fat that would be 20% of his body weight. Does he really look like he even has 20% bf in the before pix? Doesn’t he look like 15% or so?
In the 2nd pix he is a bit leaner, but is he totally shredded? Nope – I didn’t think so either, so let’s give him 12% bf. So, if he had a 3% reduction in bf that would be about 6.5 lbs. Now we can estimate his muscle gain. His after weight is 215 lbs. 219 (starting weight) – 6.5 (fat loss) + muscle gain = 215 (after weight). So he gained 2.5 lbs. Where did Darden earn his Phd? He needs some remedial math. Ed
Ed,
I don’t have a clue how they got these measurements, I might be able to find out…it took me about 13 years to add about 24# of muscle….still on the upswing though…
I like the phraseology “used SuperSlow…the majority of the time”. Muscle isolation involved in SS would not produce the synergistic muscle mass that subject possessed. Similar to Arthur Jones’s Casey Viater experiment in the 70s, reclaimed muscle and free weight movements were noted.
We are all aware that you cannot gain muscle using Super Slow. right???
Casey was starved down(i think 217 down to 167ish) to what he likely weighed in the 8th grade, i don’t confirm or deny Dr.Darden’s results but these guys were not starved down.
I think if you guys want to challenge the validity of his experiments you are in the wrong place….I happen to love Super Slow and where we are now going with RenEx so I will continue to share these cases and more….I find it all interesting and I’m beyond fascinated with how irritated people get.
Josh,
No irritation here. Although I do kind of find some of these characters quite entertaining! On and on and on it goes………..
I love this stuff and look forward to coming out to Cleveland to soak it all in.
Keep bringing it on!
JK
The photos are not the proper before and after – see Darden’s “The new High Intensity Training”. The first photo above is of Hudlow after he dropped a whole lot of body fat – his starting weight of 219lb is actually quite fat if you see the proper before picture in the book. The second photo above is after a creatine loading phase of two weeks and 18lbs heavier than the first shot. The final look of Hudlow where he was 215lb was bigger and smoother than the “after” shot pictured above.
Langdon,
I need to dig the book up, i’ll fix it as soon as i find the error
thanks
Langdon,
My book has disappeared, but i am hearing there are two pics from that book but actually from separate studies. I am not able to confirm at this time.
Back pedal after being caught but the article stands. No surprise the RenEx BS continues to flow…
Dr. Ellington Darden TEACHES SUPER SLOW PROTOCOL
but doubling the time!! NOT 10/10 BUT 20/20!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nw7Gq1L3Sk
Was just over at Darden’s. It seems that Marc the drug store guy is melting down. He has been escalating over there ever since Doug McGuff called him out and told him that his resistance band alactic training may not be as effective as he thinks it is. This was after he was complaining of severe soreness and being out of condition after shoveling like 2 inches of snow!
Funny, I train about 8-12 minutes every 4-5 days and I had to shovel nearly 20 inches a few weeks ago and wasn’t even tired after nearly two hours of it. No soreness the next day either. But of course BBS/Ren Ex doesn’t work!
It really is sad to see these guys on this mission of hate. Sad and pathetic.
Josh,
The only irritation for me is the lack of credibility that this type of example brings to HIT, Super-Slow and by association RenEx. Darden must think people are idiots. Just look at my analysis in my previous post. Do you see any flaws in my logic? I appreciate you honesty about the 24 lbs gain over many years. I believe SS can produce results especially on RenEx equipment with trainees that can dig deep and tolerate discomfort. Is it the best way to train? Depends. It is certainly time-efficient, safe and effective.
Joshua,
People don’t realize/get that Darden and Ken have a long history together and were friends and colleges. As far as I know they are not enemies of each other or any such thing. I think people miss that. If one attacks RenEx, in a strong fashion in one way or the other one winds up attacking Darden.
Just the way it is.
What do these examples you are posting have to do with RenEx. A hell of a lot, unless you have a low reading comprehension or really don’t know that much about HIT.
jeff
Jeffery,
I agree….as of right now I’m just reporting…i enjoy the articles and have a few more that are on topic.
I really don’t care if people like the articles I choose to run on my blog, it’s what interests me.
If that is what 39 lbs of extra muscle does for one’s physique, well…. why bother?
At least with Casey Viator, the after picture looked consistent with 63 lbs of added muscle.
And what’s with you ‘only’ adding 24 lbs in 13 years. I think you need to call Darden and figure out what you are doing wrong….. 🙂
George,
Dunno man… maybe Dr.D has the secrets….I’m real happy with my gains, things are steady for me…it seems I’m riding the wave out longer than most, maybe our gig is just more sustainable and consistent over time.
Time is a powerful lever
Joshua
Josh you never cease to amaze with your half baked connections.
thats a two way street JH
Is it just me or is it obvious that he is a little closer to the camera in the picture on the right? No doubt he is leaner in the photo on the right but the image is also larger.
George J.,
It’s hard to infer tone over the net, but your comment about Josh’s gains over 13 years comes off like jock talk.
What little I know of Josh, on this site and his videos, is that he was more than likely performing HVT for years and had x amount of gains from that, etc., before starting HIT. He didn’t say what gains were made off HIT, so I don’t know. However, I do know, if one has been training hard with safe strength training methods, gains taper over a 5 year period or so. Gains are slow to come by after a top end has been met.
In addition to that, my gains have been slow and steady and I keep getting better. Especially since I stepped off the HVT hamster wheel.
If I can take a page out of Josh’s book: 35 year old Ben crushes 25 year old Ben.
Looking forward to what 45 year Ben has to offer.
And I love the loathe I get when haters can’t believe I achieve my results in less than an hour a week. It flies in the face of everything popular exercise prattles on about.
“90% diet, 10% exercise.”
🙂
John Parr,
That was my exact first impression. You’d think they’d shoot it from the same distance!
Apparently this isn’t the actual before and after shots (see above). Would really like to see it in that context.
==Scott==
I guess the idea of publishing this is to see if the folks at Darden complain about this here but not when on the Darden forum?? There’s so many variables not accounted for that this study has always been suspect regardless of what forum it was on. The picture on the right is slightly larger than the left, etc etc. The folks on this forum say there’s so much hate emanating from the Darden forum towards this one but in reality that same hate comes from both sides. It’s boob games both sides play with each other. My way is better than your way, nah nah nah nah nah. It was Josh who came on Darden claiming the superiority of his methods not the other way around. It’s the REN-EX guys who who have their nose in the air putting down other methods hense alot of flack comes back at them. I think you guys at REN-EX do Hutchins a great disservice with all these baby games that go back and forth between both forums. Hutchins is no doubt a smart guy and both camps should embrace each other instead of fighting but the nose in the air attitude of REN-EX makes that near impossible. I think both ways have their strengths and weaknesses depending on who uses it and what the desired goal is. How about trying to get along for once? Building muscle seems to be the common goal and I think both ways will do that to some extent.
“It was Josh who came on Darden claiming the superiority of his methods not the other way around. It’s the REN-EX guys who who have their nose in the air putting down other methods hense alot of flack comes back at them.”
All my views are public, please post.
JT, I’ve just double checked (found my copy of The New HIT hiding under Renaissance of Exercise Vol 1). The photos are definitely only from Phase II of the “study”, being two weeks of creatine loading, after Phase I which was losing ~40lbs in ten weeks. The before photo above is 174lbs and the after is 192lbs. I’ll see if I can scan the page with all of the photos which show the 219lbs at start of Phase I and 215lbs at end of Phase IV, and send it to you.
please, my email is joshuatrentine@yahoo.com
Hi Josh,
I am not sure if people have missed your point in thes last few posts, Hudlow use Super Slow, James sometimes uses SuperSlow. I think that I know where your coming from we can put any photo up and people will look at the physique first and it can go on and on around and around in circles. And even when they say they use superslow people will find something wrong or something to denegrate.
In the last 12 months for free you have provided people with some of the best training methods available and some people don’t recgonise this. What you have shared for free is way above anyone else in the fitness industry can even come near to.
Continue the great work.
Thanks Steven, will do….
and yes completely missed…
All my views are public, please post.
==Scott==
Typical, instead of picking up on my line, how about trying to get along , you come back with the I never said that nonsense . I know you are but what am I. There’s countless times you came on Darden saying the REN-EX way was superior to the HIT way. I’m not going to waste my time finding them. It’s clear you like the fuss between the two camps, it must be what keeps you going.
Scott,
No such thing has ever been said and you cannot produce it, I am a student of this game and will venture to say that I can match wits with anyone in regard to different training methods.
RenEx equipment is vastly superior for training with RenEx or Super Slow protocol, that is my position and always has been.
Produce it…support what you say.
The burden is on you….
Joshua
Scott,
You are making things up, you have no business making such a statement that cannot be supported.
Saying things over and over does not make them anymore true.
Joshua
Josh you should take the advice you just posted for Scott and apply it to yourself. RenEx is a failure as was SS and you still can’t provide anything but yourself and 30 year old pictures as proof.
Good job.
@John Parr
I agree, that jumped out at me, parallax is at play as the photographer changes the distance from the subject.
@Steven Turner
I second your comments on Joshua providing FREE information that transcends the rest of the so called ‘lifting’ community
Pete
If you haven’t done as I said why are you such a popular fellow on Darden and other forums? Do you somehow think it’s because you and your methods are so great that it strikes fear in the their hearts? More than anything it’s the way you handle things that turn people off to your methods more than the methods them selves. There’s no burden on me to prove anything, I have nothing to gain here and you have everything to lose if REN-EX fails. I’m simply trying to get you to take your nose out of the air and come down off your pedestal so people might be more willing to listen to your methods and the folks you are always fussing with might be willing to actually work together with you instead of fighting against you but I guess it’s the fighting you really enjoy. It isn’t always the other fellow who is at fault, look within sometimes to find the real culprit.
Scott , why come here then if you have nothing to gain? It’s a mob mentality you guys just keep repeating the same crap , it’s small minded and weak, including you everyone has always started with my respect until they give me reason to believe otherwise, I would think a man of your age could stand alone….like I said produce what you accuse me off,you can’t and that at least makes you irresponsible, ….and you happen to be wrong about another thing, my livelyhood has nothing to do with RenEX that’s not what pays my salary…..I simply love the training and it upsets you people….if you weren’t interested you wouldn’t be here.
===Scott==
Like you don’t repeat the same crap, ha ha.. You don’t seem to get it that for the most part I’m on your side, who else on Darden other than Andrew ever sides with you? I’ve sided with you many times , I think you have great machines and a protocol that may or may not work , that’s still debatable, but I’m speaking my mind in an effort to help you when I say that I think you’d be much better off not being such a jerk sometimes so that both parties could work together for a better product vrs the constant fighting. Why do I care about you ? I don’t know, maybe I am stupid because arguing with you certainly doesn’t do me any good.
Mr. Hudlow’s before/after pictures are impressive, but, again there is nothing objective that substantiates the before, during and after. What about bloodwork, verification of diet, all products consumed during the ‘experiment’ both legal or otherwise.
Further, has anyone replicated test ‘experiments’? eg:
The Colorado Experiment
Keith Whitley
The West Point Experiment
etc.
Sorry, to many unknown variables that would not pass the ‘litmus’ test if someone were to look at these claims from an objective perspective.
Hmm, interesting, my last response to this didn’t make it on here so I’ll try again.
I guess I come here now because I do see some good things about REN-EX. Your machines are superb. I’m not sure yet about the protocol though and I’m still waiting for some evidence to back up your claims to it’s superiority. Josh, you are the most outspoken representative of REN-EX and it’s pretty clear that many people hate you because of your attitude. Yes, you have a splendid physique but but you are very hard to get along with . The fussing between REN-EX and the HIT community is non stop but it doesn’t have to be that way. The New X-Force community isn’t battling with the HIT community so why does REN-EX need to?Both camps have similar goals in mind and very similar machines etc. I see no reason why both parties shouldn’t be working together instead of against each other. Andrew may have shed some light though on the reason there is so much fuss. You guys like the fuss. You guys like the harsh words and back and forth bickering. Andrew says he welcomes the Jones style of arrogant in your face I’m the greatest with the best ideas mentality and I think you must feel the same way. You enjoy the fuss between camps as much as you do working out. I don’t see that fuss producing anything really positive. Instead of helping REN-EX I see it as a hindrance. I feel bad for Hutchins. His ideas and machines suffer the most as the result of the nose in the air combative attitude of you and the other employees at REN-EX.
ROFL, oh, we know RenEx isn’t making you any money. What is utterly beyond belief is anyone you talk has to accept as fact your OPINION of RenEx and weight training.
Any new studies underway? You know, the kind that will never see the light of day, ever?
You dumb bastards, all you monkeys talk about how intense RenEx is but most of the RenEx trainees look as if they’ve never weight trained. If any of the trainees were working anywhere near the intensity claimed ALL the trainees would be building muscle but it hasn’t happened. Why?
P.S. don’t give me the objective crap line as an excuse, the body will respond to work if actually worked. RenEx the quickest way to piss away money and get no results.
You dumb bastards, all you monkeys talk about how intense RenEx is but most of the RenEx trainees look as if they’ve never weight trained. If any of the trainees were working anywhere near the intensity claimed ALL the trainees would be building muscle but it hasn’t happened. Why?
P.S. don’t give me the objective crap line as an excuse, the body will respond to work if actually worked. RenEx the quickest way to piss away money and get no results.
Josh,
Now the pictures make more sense!
Thanks for finding and posting them.
He is definitely a bit smoother in the final pic but he surely packed on some muscle.
The training method most certainly works!
Good to see your posts here Scott and on Ellington’s site.
Going to hopefully dig my freeweights out of my shit filled garage today.
Thank you to everybody that contributes here. Feeling very driven about starting my workouts at home.
What fantastical BS story will appear today on the RenEx website?
How long will it be before Josh offers upgrades for the RenEx machines? Or has it already begun?
Still waiting for the research study papers, has anyone found it yet?
Lastly, still looking for a RenExer that looks like they lift weights.
==Scott==
Interesting, my last two posts were deleted from here. The truth hurts doesn’t it.
Or I was on vacation…..smh
Well if you’re going to remove my posts I might as well use more colorful language.
Josh still visiting the dating site? Now that you’re not a double chinned fat boy how’s the love life?
RenEx the future is bleak and the debt is real but keep the articles coming those 25 people that believe in RenEx can’t wait to suck up once again….
RenEx what is that loud slurping sound? LOL
Well if you’re going to remove my posts I might as well use more colorful language.
Josh still visiting the dating site? Now that you’re not a double chinned fat boy how’s the love life?
RenEx the future is bleak and the debt is real but keep the articles coming those 25 people that believe in RenEx can’t wait to suck up once again.
RenEx what is that loud slurping sound? LOL
Joe H you really don’t like Josh do you
Joe H,
I’ve been doing 10/10 for quite some time using free weights. I’d like to think I look like I work out. I’ll submit my evidence when you choose to do so. You don’t accept emails, texts, phone calls, etc. What do you accept?
Nice, Blain. Call’em out.
Btw, how’s your joints doing engaging in a low force protocol?
Ben,
All is good. Ive learned a lot along the way. I incorporate a bit of everything ive learned into every single workout and can come away saying that i have found what works for me. It took me quite a while but at this point, with a full time job and two children ill happily put my physique and strength levels up against anyone here…except Joe. Apparently hes too big and knowledgeable for me to deal with. Kidding aside i feel great and think i look the same.
Hi Max 1st just wanted to say thanks for all the videos th;y’eve been very helpful to me as far as the 4g and 3d evo goes. Just wanted to let u know that I flashed this rom last night with the RC mix kernel and over clocked it to 1728 on demand and I have been getting consistent 2430′s and up on quadrant but only got 86.3 on linpack.
That’s encouraging to hear. I’ve 2 kids as well, and time is of the essence.
What kind of protocol were you doing before HIT?
Also, is Joe H. willing to share his results?
Posting a comment is hardly sharing results.
Joe H,
You’re a dick.
Ben Tucker,
Shoot me an e-mail at bcduesing@yahoo.com if you want. As for before, I did the high volume garbage that gets preached in the muscle mags. If you want, I have a few videos on Dr. Thomas Neinstedt’s youtube page. His youtube page is called idealexerciseaz (all one word.) I train at home in my basement so the video quality isn’t that good. However, you can get an idea of what kind of weight I can push around for an average tall (6 feet 5 inches, 215lbs) guy. I think there is a bench video where I do 300lbs once, 275, three times, a negative chin video, etc. Anyway, check it out and let me know what you think. Either way, I’m sure Joe can match these weak feats of strength. Enjoy.
Blain do you kiss your Mom with that mouth?
I told you whatever you have to say to me can be posted here (learn to read).
Post a question worth answering and I will, otherwise…
Joe H.
I agree.
Mmmkay… Do you have facebook, instagram, old fashoined email? Willing to share mine if you care to share yours.
” Hey Johanna Hymen, at least Josh have the balls to show his muscles to the world, why doncha show us yer hard gained mussles?
Show us a video, Johanna, walk the walk dont talk the talk, you schmuk, youre a hysterical twat thats for sure Johanna, Be yerself a living proof of what you are preaching, cunt… (:D”
Let me guess you’re another one of Joshy’s Internet followers that had to be told lift slowly, execute a smooth turn around, and avoid using the body to brace or involve other muscles that shouldn’t be used in that particular lift.
All of this is truly revolutionary and no one, not a single person ever, has mentioned these point before Joshy.
Folks,
Could I suggest toning it down a bit and acting a bit more civil? All this bravado while hiding behind the keyboard amounts to nothing. Disagree, but, juvenile name calling and profanity? Just hiding behind a keyboard…
Joe H,
Post a question to someone with no credible results? Yea, let me got on that right away. Oh, and do I kiss my mother with that mouth? No, I kiss yours.