Oct
21
2011

Sneak Peek 2!

15 comments written by Joshua Trentine

Overhead Press
“Simplicity is Sophistication”

Trunk Extension
“The Game Changer”

Calf Exercise

 

P.S.  Stay tuned from some amazing videos from last week’s equipment showcase!  And as always please leave your comments below!

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avatar Karthik October 21, 2011 at 9:38 am

The more I see these videos, the more I long to train on them. Awesome work Ren Ex team, especially on the leg press and the low back. When are the launch videos(Al and Dr. McGuff training) gonna be online?

Karthik

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avatar Joshua Trentine October 21, 2011 at 11:40 pm

Karthik,

Thank you! The ONLY bad thing about training on them is once you do there is NO turning back…you cannot get the experience out of your mind.

I haven’t decided what I’m doing with these videos yet.

Joshua
ps; i got your email…i have over 120 msgs in my inbox that i need to get to this weekend.

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avatar Karthik October 21, 2011 at 10:46 am

The videos especially the trunk extension illustrate the safe range of movement that can be obtained by using this device. This can exercise the trunk in a manner that I’ve not seen prior. Great work!

Karthik

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avatar Joshua Trentine October 21, 2011 at 11:45 pm

Karthik,

You are right, this is the only way to get the movement…AND this movement is an absolute requirement for certain back pathology and synergy pattern to involve all intended musculature.

This exercise done before Leg Press transforms that exercise as well.

One of the coolest things about RenEx is how each exercise feeds the next…the totality of the effect rather than the individual exercises.

I believe RenEx can finally bring to life the ideas of some who came before us.

Joshua

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avatar Carlos Flecha October 21, 2011 at 3:06 pm

Mi Dios…You could feel the spirits of Leonardo Da Vinci, Gustav Zander and Art Jones floating in the air…tears of joy, man..You got it!

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avatar Joshua Trentine October 21, 2011 at 11:36 pm

🙂

i love this! YES…all of these spirits are alive….RenEx won’t let them die.

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avatar Skyler Tanner October 22, 2011 at 1:31 pm

Josh,

The back extension looks amazing. Kudos for taking it to ground as far as what a lumbar extension can be.

If you would rather respond to my question that I asked over at Darden’s circus by sending an email, feel free.

Best,
Skyler

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avatar Joshua Trentine October 23, 2011 at 12:16 am

Skyler,

It really is amazing…for it’s purpose nothing compares.

Why don’t you post that question over here?

Thanks man!

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avatar Charles P. Olitte October 23, 2011 at 4:05 pm

Err…”Does that Beautiful Young Lady come with the Magnanymous Machine?” ((:D

A.V.P.A.R.G. (A Very Polite And Regular Guy)

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avatar Joshua Trentine October 25, 2011 at 11:00 pm

That is extra

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avatar Skyler Tanner October 23, 2011 at 5:55 pm

Josh,

Over at Darden’s board I was being a little tongue in cheek regarding Boyer’s “breaking the machine”, speaking more to Boyer’s strength than the quality of the hardware or what you were attempting to do at the conference. 🙂

That said, a little waxing: you frequently speak of getting the equipment out of the way, the pushing heavy air. I know you don’t mean this as literal in the sense of “woosh” as much as you mean that the level of friction has been reduced to that of a free weight (which has no friction) and melded to a machine that is biomechanically congruent with the force curves of muscle (which free weights can never do). In other words, you made good on the promise of Nautilus all those years ago and moved beyond.

So my question is do you think all of those years doing other training methods allowed you to gain enough self-awareness to “get out of the way” of yourself, which you then realize how the equipment is now the sticking point? And the follow up question must be: how many trainees do you think are self-aware enough to see they’re getting in their own way, so they won’t be able to use your equipment to its fullest capacity?

Best,
Skyler

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avatar Joshua Trentine October 26, 2011 at 12:32 am

Skyler,

My first reflex is to say YES, of course all of my many years of training have contributed to my “awareness” and ability to inroad. And this could very well be true, but this does not jive with my experiences. I’ve seen almost no correlation between someone being a good bodybuilder, or a good athlete, or being heavily muscled and necessarily being naturally good at this particular exercise modality.

What I have seen, and I’ve seen so consistently that I have no doubt about, is that those who come from many years of “H.I.T” have an awful…an absolutely terrible time doing what we expect them to do…the funny thing is I often see the same from people who were taught superslow somewhere. If you have studied Ken Hutchins or El Darden’s writing on motor learning you’ll understand my upcoming reference– it appears that the H.I.T people have a real issue with Negative Transfer when attempting to learn RenEx.

I do believe that there are elements from the High Volume crowd and especially the muscle control stuff from the 40’s and 50’s that will bridge some of the gap in understanding.

When it comes down to it though, RenEx was designed as a “color by numbers” approach to getting the deepest muscular effect and doing so in a repeatable, predictable fashion.

Everything we are doing is a feedback loop and these loops are designed to create a heightened self awareness and it turns out that the subjects are literally slipping into and exercise trance when we combine environment, instructor, cues, equipment, exercise preset and in some cases computer display.

Skyler, no question I’m better at this than most, but I believe that we are now seeing more people reach an advanced workout expression than ever. And no matter what level of performance subjects do reach, we are beginning to see that collective effect of everything we’re doing allows subjects to go to a place that they were not able to before…whether this means a degree of muscular stimulation, focus, or just comfort from the mechanics and synergy pattern allowing for exercise selection that was just not possible before (ie; how many of you have to avoid Overhead pressing in cases where subjects have impingement or other shoulder pathology?….we’re finding that the RenEx OHP might even be an exercise of choice for rehabilitation, for some issues, rather than the movement pattern commonly avoided with such issues).

Joshua

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avatar Skyler Tanner October 26, 2011 at 2:54 pm

“I’ve seen almost no correlation between someone being a good bodybuilder, or a good athlete, or being heavily muscled and necessarily being naturally good at this particular exercise modality.”

Yes, I agree. It was not my intention to imply that being heavily muscled is correlated with maximizing the physiological effect of a bout of exercise.

“Everything we are doing is a feedback loop and these loops are designed to create a heightened self awareness and it turns out that the subjects are literally slipping into and exercise trance when we combine environment, instructor, cues, equipment, exercise preset and in some cases computer display. ”

I understand your background is in PT, so forgive me if I’m repeating something you already know but the last PT I spoke to stated that their program wasn’t big on motor learning. What you are discussing the change from strength training as an open loop skill to a closed loop skill, with the feedback and comparator mechanisms, in the early stages, being replaced by a trainer supervising the workout. As you get better, you start to be aware of your form being “off” or if a rep was of a very high quality. That is not to say that someone supervising isn’t a large improvement, but it changes from a horse being towed on a rope to a horse and rider in perfect harmony.

“…how many of you have to avoid Overhead pressing in cases where subjects have impingement or other shoulder pathology?….we’re finding that the RenEx OHP might even be an exercise of choice for rehabilitation, for some issues, rather than the movement pattern commonly avoided with such issues…”

Let’s flip this on its head: how many people, aware of the biomechanics and force curves of the joint and muscle respectively continue to exercise in a way that would cause such symptoms in the first place? Ken’s ohp originally confused me when I first saw it and used it so many years ago. As I got older and learned more it became quite clever how he avoided the fact that the deltoid reaches active insufficiency at ~90% flexion and that, as far as the muscle you are trying to work is concerned, there is no “true” overhead to press toward.

Thank you for the well thought response.

Best,
Skyler

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avatar Joshua Trentine October 26, 2011 at 3:36 pm

Hey Skyler,

I wanted to make one more comment about your initial question as I thought about it today at work.

You are correct in that saying; “all of those years doing other training methods allowed you to gain enough self awareness to get out of the way”

But the point I really want to make is that our experiences have made us aware of what ISN’T important or necessary for our clients to go through.

Joshua

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avatar Skyler Tanner October 27, 2011 at 7:35 am

“But the point I really want to make is that our experiences have made us aware of what ISN’T important or necessary for our clients to go through.”

Isn’t this the hardest part of our job? I have a saying I like to use: “It’s not enough to be told the answer…you have to do the math.” I feel like we are constantly doing the math (as trainers) and attempting to expedite the process in a client so that they figure it out in way less time than it took us. From this I understand what you mean with “paint by numbers”…how true!

Best,
Skyler

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